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Billions upon billions going to these companies.

25k reward from a selected group of people if you help us determine whether or not someone can use our tool to generate weapons of mass destruction.


It's worse than that, for partial successes they encourage people to submit the attempt but reserve the right to not pay anything (they may, at their discretion, give a partial reward if they feel like it).

That's pretty much how every bounty works... obviously it's going to be at their discretion for an incomplete attempt.

it's unusual to have to sign the NDA for a rejected bounty

No it isn't. Confidentiality terms are the norm.

Because it can't and it's a publicity stunt. It achieves three goals:

1) Underscores to the general public that the models are amazingly powerful and if you're not using them, your competitors will out-innovate you,

2) Sends the message to regulators that they don't need to do anything because the companies are diligent to prevent harm,

3) Sends the message to regulators that they sure should be regulating "open-source" models, because these hippies are not doing rigorous safety testing.

Both Anthropic and OpenAI have been playing that game for years.


If it can’t, then it makes more sense to make the bounty as high as possible instead of a measly $25k

If it's an existential threat to humanity, and if OpenAI is valued at nearly $1T, why set the bounty at a measly $25k? The going rate for an iPhone zero-day is six to seven figures. Some companies will pay you more than $25k for a website XSS.

Because this is not a serious effort to address a serious risk. It's a PR stunt, the bounty is for a simple jailbreak and not a bioweapon, and they don't necessarily want to spend a lot of money or get people really invested in breaking their safety filters.


They don't want anyone to actually do it.

I’m glad people are starting to recognize this, but when will the general public? Never?

They're probably expecting that it can be done without too much effort so they just want to see all the unique ways people are doing it.

They’re probably expecting biological weapons of mass destruction can be created without too much effort, so are curious to see all the nifty ways people can create biological weapons of mass destruction?

I was talking about bypassing the ChatGPT safeguards, that's what this bug hunt is about.

Though it could be a Honeypot they are probably hoping to train on all the ways someone might try to do this. Or maybe funds are really low and they need a smoke screen for a really bad actor to go in and try to do it for real.

.40 cents for high quality output is insanely cheap

it is only going to get cheaper


> .40 cents

Warning: Verizon math ahead.


In case anyone is unfamiliar with one of the most infuriating phone calls of all time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShv_74FNWU

lol, noted thanks!

You people keep saying this and token prices keep doubling. The cope of the gambler is truly one to marvel.

Entrepeneurship is not a career path.

https://personal.utdallas.edu/~otoole/CGS2301_S09/7_split_br...

See page 53. While it is absolutely more prevelant in LLMs, human brains can also want a story for why their brains do things they are't plugged into.


Part of this is that memory companies recognize that nobody is going to enforce antitrust law for the forseeable future, so collusion to raise prices is the norm now.


With body cameras this is a lawsuit.


But is it a winning one?

Qualified immunity tends to chime in.


That doesn't mean what you think it means.


No? Jessop v. City of Fresno is worth a peek.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/17...

> The panel held that at the time of the incident, there was no clearly established law holding that officers violate the Fourth or Fourteenth Amendment when they steal property seized pursuant to a warrant. For that reason, the City Officers were entitled to qualified immunity.


And handed down in only one circuit, so the other 80% of cops in the country can say "well, in my circuit there was no established case law that said stealing the property was a constitutional violation."


That's not exactly consistent with the given scenario. Use of force issues tend to have much better case law at both the federal and state levels than property related issues.


https://www.generalservices.state.nm.us/wp-content/uploads/9...

> Corbitt v. Vickers, 929 F.3d 1304 (11th Cir. 2019): Qualified immunity granted for officer who, hunting a fugitive, ended up at the wrong house and forced six children, including two children under the age of three, to lie on the ground at gunpoint. The officer tried to shoot the family dog, but missed and shot a 10-year-old child that was lying face down, 18 inches away from the officer. The court held that there was no prior case where an officer accidentally shot a child laying on the ground while the officer was aiming at a dog.

> Young v. Borders, 850 F.3d 1274 (11th Cir. 2017): Qualified immunity granted to officers who, without a warrant, started banging on an innocent man’s door without announcing themselves in the middle of the night. When the man opened the door holding his lawfully-owned handgun, officers opened fire, killing. One dissenting judge wrote that if these actions are permitted, “then the Second and Fourth Amendments are having a very bad day in this circuit.”

> Estate of Smart v. City of Wichita, 951 F.3d 1161 (10th Cir. 2020): Qualified immunity granted for officer who heard gunshots and fired into a crowd of hundreds of people in downtown Wichita, shooting bystanders and killing an unarmed man who was trying to flee the area. The court held that the shooting was unconstitutional but there was no clearly established law that police officers could not “open fire on a fleeing person they (perhaps unreasonably) believed was armed in what they believed to be an active shooter situation.”

(And a bunch of others.)

And a matching case has to be very specific:

> Baxter v. Bracey, 751 F. App’x 869 (6th Cir. 2018): Qualified immunity granted for officers who sent a police dog to attack a man who had already surrendered and was sitting on the ground with his hands in the air. The court held that a prior case holding it unconstitutional to send a police dog after a person who surrendered by laying on the ground was not sufficiently similar to this case, involving a person who surrendered by sitting on the ground with his hands up.

"No clearly established law", my ass.


https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5d778b8b342cca3e584ef6...

The prior opinion in this case, found at Jessop v. City of Fresno , 918 F.3d 1031 (9th Cir. 2019), is hereby withdrawn. A superseding opinion will be filed concurrently with this order. Plaintiffs-Appellants’ petition for rehearing en banc remains pending.

I picked the second one to start. So I don't think that's a great source.


What was the outcome of the lawsuits against the agencies? You don't have to win a suit against an individual. Most of the big payouts have to come from the cities.

Here are a bunch going the other way. https://policefundingdatabase.org/explore-the-database/settl...

I never said that qualified immunity wasn't an issue, just that there tends to be more protections when use of force is involved than with property.


> Most of the big payouts have to come from the cities.

In other words, from the victimized populace.

I think a cop who steals seized evidence should be personally liable to the person they stole from.

(…and I'd note "v. City of Wichita" is clearly responsive to your question.)


I would probably say that both the city and the cop should, independently, be liable. Given the position of authority the city provides, it is ultimately responsible to hire and properly train people who will use that authority well, while the individual is also responsible for their own actions.


If the cop is following procedure, the city and others who set the procedure should be liable. If the cop is breaking procedure, then they should be liable. If there is no clear procedure, then they should both be liable.


Both is good with me, yes.


"In other words, from the victimized populace."

Sadly, yes. They're also the populace that voted for that leadership. There are many leaders of major cities that continually push policies that are highly probably to result in legal action due to their conflict with existing law and case law. I don't like it, but its true.


The city can still be liable, it's not as if there's no redress.


Yeah, the "qualified" part is relatively misleading, it makes it sound like there are clear limits to police immunity.


ask a high end LLM to do it


They who and what?


They’ll give you a small handful of examples, of which a number occurred in the UK (famously not a member of the EU), most of which were actually arrests for incitement, and of the remainder the majority were thrown out before ever going to trial, or subsequently on appeal.

Very few of the cases they present will have involved citizens being murdered in the streets by the government for exercising their absolute right to free speech.


The UK has more arrests for social media posts than any other country in the world, including authoritarian countries like Russia, Belarus, etc. Germany is the third highest. Both have thousands, not "a small handful".


Ah, the Joe Rogan school of geopolitics finally rears its HGH malformed head

{1}https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wales-englan... {2}https://pa.media/blogs/fact-check/fact-check-international-d... {3}https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tommy-robinson-uk-speech-cla...

Most of the erroneous conclusions come from a cursory interpretation of a Times article from last year:

{4} https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-make-30-arr...

In 2023, UK police forces made around 12,000 arrests under the Communications Act 2003 and the Malicious Communications Act 1988. These laws cover sending messages that are "grossly offensive, threatening, indecent, or menacing over communications networks" (which includes social media). Prosecutions resulting tend to come from a small subset of serious crimes - stalking, incitement to hatred, endangering minors etc...

This was gleefully misinterpreted by Musk, Steven Forbes and the rest of the right-wing braintrust as "12,000 people were arrested for saying politically incorrect things."

Germany at third highest is equally in the realm of complete fantasy. The Tagesschau debunked it and concluded that the German numbers make no sense. There is no statistic in Germany for the number of arrests, but the number of people investigated is lower for the period claimed and not all led to arrests so the number is simply a fabrication.

https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/grafik-festnahmen-onl...

Finally, the notion that China or Russia would self-report less cases than the UK and expect the figure to be believed is farcical. There isn't even something comparable to the anti-activism laws or the HK47 in the UK.


The question isn't whether or not we have vaccines, it is whether or not we have the most effective vaccines.


It’s a good thing the specific criticism of this trial is that they didn’t use the most effective vaccine for 65+ people, since you’re concerned about having the most effective vaccines.


How do you know if you don’t do a study?

You can call anything a criticism, but it doesn’t make it true.


So, the majority of us, people under 65 are completely unaffected. And yes, the vaccine can be approved for 65- while not approved for 65+.


The fall 2025 approval was limited to 65+/preexisting conditions.

If this vaccine wasn’t being tested for 65+, it might not be approved at all based on that.


I don't think people really understand how big of a wall outside of GPU/TPUs the CPU, ram and even flash market has hit. We're paying as much if not more for the same stuff we were buying 4-5 years ago.

I do think we're more efficient and matrix operations are better (again, GPU/TPUs), but by and large, the computer hardware world has stopped exponential growth.

The period from 1990 to 2005 was amazing. Both in transistor counts and clock speed, it seemed like we were nearly *doubling* performance with every new generation. Memory and disk space had similar gains.


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