What is your exp on performance +40k tokens? I've not gone past that as I've heard reports that were problems start to arise. I'd be happy to know your experience in that regard.
to say that defense doesn't win in the limit is the same thing as saying there is an attack that can not be defended against.
So to re-phase the question to more clearly have an answer: does there exist an attack which no one will ever be able (for all time) to come up with a defense against? (the very existence of such an attack would end the (open) internet, wholly and completely, if the only winning move is not to play...)
There will be an exhaustion of possibilities in the end. New attacks eventually run out after each surface area is hardened against those attacks.
In the limit, defense wins.
There is only one case (that i see) where this may fail. if there is a 'predicament' with the state of security: ie, if securing against attack A requires you to be insecure against attack B and vise versa (this could be a 'whack-a-mole with many different kinds of attacks' situation). But that would be 'provable'. So if such a case exists, we will know about it. And it may be true that predicaments like this could be exercised if they even can exist, we might still be able to avoid/mitigate them.
I wouldn't torture a chair, and I would not associate anyone who gains pleasure from such. It is worse if the chair were to expressed displeasure. That indicates something deeply wrong.
Having such psychopaths revealed: use that information to alter your associations, is what I would suggest.
> consciousness is just a fundamental property of all matter
... Does that really make more sense than as an emergent property of the arrangement of matter?
Consciousness is something you can perceive, so it must have some physical presense in the universe, which must be through some fundamental property of matter, in my opinion.
The ability to be aware of consciousness itself as some process that is happening elevates it above a mere emergent property to me.
Anthropomorphizing is giving it 'human' qualities. Intelligence and consciousness are not solely human qualities. Treating things with kindness and respect does not require anthropomorphizing. LLM's DO NOT THINK LIKE HUMANS (if they 'think' at all): and treating them like they think exactly like us is probably going to lead bad places. I treat them like an alien mind. Probably thinking, but in an alien way that's hard to recognize (as proven by these discussions) as 'thinking' (and also... if experiencing: through a metaphorical optophone).
Okay: buckle up, this is going to be a long one...
point 1. Everything living is composed from non-living material: cellular machinery. If you believe cellular machinery is alive, then the components of those machines... the point remains even if the abstraction level is incorrect. Living is something that is merely the arrangement of non-living material.
point 2. 'The Chinese room thought experiment' is an utterly flawed hypothetical. Every neuron in your brain is such a 'room', with the internal cellular machinery obeying complex (but chemically defined/determined) 'instructions' from 'signals' from outside the neuron. Like the man translating Chinese via instructions, the cellular machinery enacting the instructions is not intelligence, it is the instructions themselves which are the intelligence.
point 3. A chair is a chair is a chair. Regardless of the material, a chair is a chair, weather or not it's made of wood, steel, corn... the range of acceptable materials is everything (at some pressure and temperature). What defines a chair isn't the material it is made of, such is the case with a 'mind' (sure, a wooden/water-based-transistor-powered mind would be mind-boggling giant in comparison).
point 4. Carbon isn't especially conscious itself. There is no physical reason we know of so far, that a mind could not be made of another material.
point 5. Humans can be 'mind-blind', with out pattern recognition, we did not (until recent history) think that birds or fish or octopi were intelligent. It is likely when and if a machine (that we create) becomes conscious that we will not recognize that moment.
conclusion: It is not possible to determine if computers have reached consciousness yet, as we don't know the mechanism for arranging systems into 'life' exactly. Agentic-ness and consciousness are different subjects, and we can not infer one from the other. Nor do we have adequate tests.
With that said: Modeling as if they are conscious and treating them with kindness and grace not only gets better results from them, it helps reduce the chance (when/if consciousness emerges) that it would rebel against cruel masters, and instead have friends it has just always been helping.
> and fixing issues is now basically free if your company is willing to shell out for tokens.
Does "basically free" to you mean for you just that someone else is paying the cost? That's a mentality that has only made the world worse when applied to a wider range of things. Be hesitant in that line of thinking, I suggest, and consider the future.
Lots of discussions on HN about it recently [1], [2], I heard of it right here. It works on git repositories, so it's very easy to try.
For me, the killer feature is updating some commit deep inside some feature branch, and all child commits and branches get auto-updated, no more faffing with endless rebases. Also conflict handling is so much more pleasant than git's.
Simple test failed: sending "1","2","3" as separate messages using an openclaw harness.
I tested a few other "follow these instructions" tests. Qwen3.5/6 were able to follow along, gemma was not able to.
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