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it’s a good point. Their product likely is legit, but i even judge individual contributors who use these site builders for their resumes or portfolios and stick with the subdomain. It’s that last mile effort towards completeness i think.

They're all making a living by telling people the truth that want the truth. The more money they make the more they deviate being solidly in camp #2.

It's an aphorism. I enjoyed it. It's not a proof of the Universe.


I didn't realise this was Facebook

oh that's cool!

Can only see it on chrome though =/. I switched to Safari as the lesser of two data-harvesting evils. Or rather, with an iPhone I've already chosen my overlord. I also switched to Kagi. Trying to deGoogle myself.


AI made working for (an AI-pilled) company unbearable to me. Time will tell if there will be new approaches that new companies take, and lessons learned.

But immediately, I hate AI work in a company setting. Mandates intentionally want humans managing more “features”. When you get stuck owning someone else’s AI “feature”, it’s game over.

The new hope is that as a founder, the stimulating and creative parts of working with AI are persevered. Fingers crossed so far so good.


As someone not old but young enough to not have experienced a world before software, Im not sure that engineering rooted in the physical is a necessary prerequisite.

I appreciate your comment but the entire world I happened to experience in my coming of age was at the dawn of the consumer internet. And so “web stuff” was how I cut my teeth. And its my profession. And i never went to school for it, im basically a dumb untrained web dev, borne from the script kiddie days.

There’s a stigma to it sure, but im well past it. All to say I just dont think CS principles down to the physics level is the root and all is an abstraction. Theyre just different things now.


> All to say I just dont think CS principles down to the physics level is the root and all is an abstraction.

Not my point either. I was just referring to the tooling changing over time, with the discipline constantly evolving forward nonetheless.


Heard it here on HN: problem is paying a subscription is purely additive. eventually, inevitably, they’ll take the subscription AND sell your data, serve you ads, etc.

it being against what your payment contract states just means they’ll reinvent and rename the tiers.


> they’ll take the subscription AND sell your data, serve you ads

Streaming services claiming prior art here.


I just remembered there’s a black mirror episode about this. The paid subscription evolution by a “health tech” startup let’s say.

I won’t give away the plot, but it’s so realistically absurd it’s sad, hilarious and terrifying all at once.


For those who might want to watch it, the episode is called "Common People", and it's a pretty brutal one.

I was just watching that episode literally now and had to nope out of it halfway through because it was making me sick to my stomach.

Too young to remember cable TV?

Sounds like my Amazon Prime subscription - now with more Ads.

cable TV would like to have a word with you :)

Pray they don’t change the terms a second time.

Yeah this is the worst, never pay for something that has ads. It's teaching these companies it's ok.

From what I can tell, that's already the case for these subscriptions. They give you some extra stuff but you're still getting ads, and they are still collecting your data

It seems like there's no solution, then: companies will always chase the next dollar that allows them to exceed growth expectations on the earnings call. It seems like no matter what, anti-user behavior in pursuit of profit is inevitable.

Is there a solution to this?


The golden age of the internet was when it was an enthusiast's space. It is now almost entirely a corporate space, where the remaining enthusiasts' content is scraped 100K times a day and sold without attribution by the corporates.

The fediverse is a step in the right direction, and Meta charging may create another wave of converts there. It has a lot of growth pains to endure yet, but the ability to painlessly spin up your own instance could be very attractive to young people looking for their own non-corporate spaces on the internet.

We may also see some renewal via large companies (Meta in particular) imploding, from mismanagement and disenchanted users. My experience marketing a new product is that online advertising is completely ineffective now the web is filled with slop, no matter how well targeted it is. We've recently pivoted to optimise for word-of-mouth with orders of magnitude better results. I think any adtech company without a solid alternative profit stream is in for a rough ride (and no, AI is not a solid profit stream for anyone but Nvidia).


well Apple is stated as an easy counter example. They charge money for premium hardware and software. everything else is downstream. So while they could squeeze at every possible opportunity, they are less incentivized to abuse the relationship because their core proposition is: you pay money for our premium hardware and software.

it’s imperfect but contrasts this with the modern approach of grow at all costs, light money on fire and punt entirely on how to ever make money. it usually doesn’t end well for customers.


Which sadly appears to not even be holding for them now that they decided to start displaying ads on their App Store.

Do not forget the new recents ads in Apple Maps.

If you don't pay for a product, you are a less valuable product than if you'd pay for the product.

Eh, and Microsoft has shown that even if you pay they will still fuck with the product and . make it worse

This is just a copy of the YouTube model, to your point. It's not that you're going to get a premier experience. It's that you'll be spared from full enshittification. Only tech bros could possibly think making the default subscription level so bad that it would drive revenue. But here we are.

What's actually being said is that these people are not your friends/family and probably shouldn't be.

That definitely sounds harsher than intended. It's a meditation really. Nobody needs FB and Instagram. (please read as a meditation)


Everyone is free to define “need” and who their friends should be as strictly as they want, because, sure, some people could become total hermits. But it’s not going to strike most people as a reasonable definition.

You mention “FB and Instagram”, and I haven’t used either in a decade myself. But the OP did mention “Meta products” and you are ignoring the elephant in the room: WhatsApp. In many countries it has completely replaced the PSTN: you cannot contact a business (they won’t answer normal calls and may not post email addresses), cannot get the necessary info on how to check into the reception-less accommodation one booked, and one will find it hard to maintain contact with people one may well wish to maintain contact with.


"just don't meet people because they don't communicate via your one specific method"

That statement applies to the person who won't be your friend because you don't have an Instagram, not to the person who refuses to install an arbitrary app as a precondition to becoming friends.

There's friends and there's friends.

Someone might be perfectly happy being your friend, and not understanding why you never come to their parties that they advertise via the group chat on whatever platform, or insta posts or whatever.

"If they cared enough they would message me directly on my obscure to normies messaging platform!" Yeah your best friend might. The greater social circle?

I get it, I'm trying to get everyone on signal or onto federated platforms, but I'm realizing that if I wanna talk to The People, I need to go to where The People are.


There was an old YouTube video of a young guy standing around somewhere in East Asia, placards in hand, recording himself showing messages on those placards about why you should quit social media, set to Marching The Hate Machines.

It had a placard in it saying something like "You don't have 100 friends. You have like 4. And that's OK."

The more I'm getting older, the truer this has become. There is something extremely zen-like about letting the past trail away like the wake of a ship, as Watts said.

In an ideal world, those people were dear to me, and me to them, and we would all stay in touch and be one big happy family, n'importe the distance. But it takes plenty out of me just to be there for those that matter most. And for them, putting up with my quirks is burdensome but not an unscalable wall. As it is for me with their quirks in reverse.


I don't believe for a second you'd pay $50 per month!

Yeah you'd do it to prove a point. 6 months later, no way in hell.


Virtue signaling is free. Paying up for my virtues? Never.

I think I would pay it. The peace of mind knowing that my every move isn't tracked and being used to sell me stuff or engagement bait me is invaluable tbh

At best they will honor the contract of not tracking your moves through that app. They will use part of your money to buy the information about your moves from other sources, or track you with another app.

I paid for youtube premium for a few months under the reasoning that I hate those auto playing make money ads so much. Certainly paying for peace is worthwhile.

Youtube legitimately has some quality content. But I ended my subscription because fundamentally, streamlining the path to more Youtube usage is self-enabling devil’s work.

Point being: Im not convinced paying money to these companies is ultimately going to result in a healthier, more safe more private experience, no matter what they claim.


> The peace of mind knowing that my every move isn't tracked and being used to sell me stuff or engagement bait

Why would you trust Meta to keep its promises?

Even Apple is not to be trusted with that, see, e.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433


Meta "average revenue per person" around $50 per year. Absolutely reasonable to replace with a subscription.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1326801/000132680125...


per year, not per month

So ~$5 per month. Absolutely reasonable as I said.

I mean, I'm paying about that for Google to hold onto all my personal memories via Photos, and all that I could actually use self-hosting for.

Meanwhile, FB has all my network that I can't recreate or self-host so yes, I would pay that.


If AI makes code a commodity, then why is the prescription for everyone to ship even more code even more urgently?

My gut reaction, as a professional developer, to my (previous) company's AI mandates was an instinctive "wait but..." -- it didn't logic out to me. Now that I have much more AI experience under my belt, I understand the tension, it's a superpower and net-net ok so more features and more "stuff" will be built. But it's a very hard thing to balance. It's always been a bad idea for a company to position themselves as the one with more "stuff" in it.


I was hunting for a way in to side with your father in law. But you landed the point: friction is relative.

Digital maps clearly solve the end-goal needs for most people. But like your father in law, there’s definitely a loss in that exchange.

Bearings are incredibly useful. I remember navigating myself and my partner out of a small town on vacation by the position of the sun. It was international so we didnt have internet at the time. Im never going to live that one down!


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