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Everyone knows ping. But over the decades, the networking community has quietly built an entire family of specialized variants — each solving a problem that standard ICMP couldn't. A few examples of why you'd reach for something else:

tcping — when firewalls eat your ICMP and you need to test port availability

arping — L2 diagnostics and duplicate IP detection, no IP stack needed

fping — scan a /24 in seconds, all hosts in parallel

OWAMP — when you actually need one-way latency, not just RTT

dnsping — when the slowness lives in your resolver, not the network

I put together a comparison table of the most useful ones, across protocol, OSI layer, platform, multi-host support, and root requirements. The OSI layer column alone tells you a lot — if you're reaching for ping to debug something that lives at L4 or L7, you're probably using the wrong tool.


What about Google? Anyone has any insights on their unit economics since they own the models and the infrastructure (which is also custom TPUs)? Are they doing better or are they in the same money losing business?


It must be hard for them to figure how much of their revenue is down to AI and how much to other stuff like search. They certainly make a lot of revenue and it would be foolish for them to ignore AI and have OpenAI and Perplexity eat their lunch.


It feels like Google should be able to come up with a revenue figure for search ai results right? How many people do a search but don't click on any links because they just read the ai blurb, but advertisers are still charged for being visible on the page.


Can someone recommend a dongle that actually works? I’ve tried a few and they are highly unreliable or stop working after a few months.


I've used a Sunweyer dongle from Amazon. If you can't get the "new shopper" discount on Aliexpress, it's cheaper. Seems to work fine. Doesn't like pairing to multiple phones, and the phone doesn't like being plugged into one of the car's USB outlets (it drops the audio because AFAICT the phone thinks it's plugged into the car for audio, but the car is still expecting audio over the Bluetooth "CarPlay" connection), even if it's one of the outlets that's not supposed to do anything but power.

I'd use it a little differently, but it's my wife's car, not mine. Who would have thought a 2022 Mercedes would have wired-only CarPlay?

Anyway, I find it excellent for podcast control. If maps are off (in my case, because location services are turned off) it doesn't really use more power than plain Bluetooth audio, and when I approach my destination on a trip I'll turn on location and plug it in to juice up the last bit.


I have been using CarlinKit 5.0 from AliExpress for last 1 year. No issues so far.



fping is most commonly seen as the backend tool under the classic (24 years old now, and still maintained) smokeping

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=smokeping...


Smokeping is an amazing and underrated resource as a network health metric and diagnostics tool.

If you have a network monitoring or asset system you can export IP addresses from, you should use a small glue script to automatically build a smokeping configuration. I've got one for our LAN and one for the WAN at each of our sites so I can track down issues at either level.

The LAN connection charts are a great daily sanity check, and the WAN connections (I have every-to-every for each site so any and all inter-site issues can be seen) can help keep your ISP honest with the service they're delivering.


mtr is also pretty great!


Lemurian Labs looks like it's doing something similar: https://www.lemurianlabs.com/technology They use the Logarithmic Number System (LNS)


MacOS has now a built in dedicated tool called networkQuality that tries to capture these variables https://netbeez.net/blog/measure-network-quality-on-macos/

Also take a look at Measurement Swiss Army-Knife (MSAK) https://netbeez.net/blog/msak/


big fan of flent.org and this tool, written in rust - is coming along smartly.

https://github.com/Zoxc/crusader


Not completely relevant, but another long standing bug: An 11 Year Old Bug in the macOS Popen(): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37238433


If this is your bug, consider also sending in a feedback with your patch. The open source projects don’t usually take PRs.


We had a discussion with one of Apple's moderators here: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/726713

If you have a better way to reach them, lmk.


That's more than "one of Apple's moderators", that's the legendary Quinn (and the _only_ person within Apple I've seen to respond on the dev forums).

Also if you do need to reach someone at apple, I think filing a DTS incident would do that.


There are a handful of Apple engineers who will reply in the forums for their products.


That's about the best thing short of knowing someone on that team, I think.


From the forum discussion, this has been reported as FB12144217.


If you don't mind, which one is your start up?


Self plug of our Linux of Network Engineers series: https://netbeez.net/blog/category/linux/


this is the better link, no book sale, and on-topic information


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