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Tailscale only allows you to create a new account by signing in with Google, Microsoft or GitHub. It's a real shame because it's a great service otherwise, but this left a very sour taste.


I don't use services that force me to give up privacy like that. A VPN service no less? That's almost funny.


Tailscale is a real VPN, not a privacy proxy using VPN tech. VPNs have nothing to do with privacy, this is no worse than any other service doing it.


Virtual Private Networks are all about privacy. They aren't necessarily about anonymity though.


The term "VPN service" has become synonymous with "proxy service that allows circumventing region locks that is implemented using VPN". These services are often pretty scammy and have come in the news often for harvesting user data.

These VPN services have little to do with the traditional meaning of a VPN. They don't provide a private network at all, they just use VPN tech to implement a proxy service.

Tailscale is not a "VPN service" in that sense, they actually provide software for setting up a VPN between computers you control.


Yes, that's what my comment is about: Tailscale is about privacy from the outside world for your network, not the privacy and anonymity VPN proxy services claim to provide.


Something being private and having privacy mean very different things in practice. I can stand in the middle of a field that is my private land, but have no privacy from people on the adjacent road looking at what I'm doing or listening to what I'm saying.


Private != privacy. Private corporate networks do not guarantee privacy either.


They do guarantee privacy from the outside world. They don't necessarily guarantee anonymity or privacy within the network.


No they don’t. VPNs allow _access_ to a set of subnets that might not be accessible otherwise - normally from external to private. Even though usually vpn traffic is encrypted it’s not a rule or an inherent property of VPNs - see GRE and PPTP for example.


> VPNs have nothing to do with privacy

Don't feed the trolls.


Yep. Single reason we don’t use them anymore. Great service, but we don’t have corporate MS, GitHub or Google accounts.


Any alternatives you can recommend?


I’m a big fan of Nebula (Slacks project maintained by Defined Networking)


Head scale FTW? I mea n you need to self host it and deal with all that... But it is your network...


It does look like they support SAML and OIDC. I think the idea here is that many (most?) Tailscale users will be corporations, and most corporations would rather integrate Tailscale access with their existing auth system, and not have an extra employee account to deal with that needs to be disabled when the employee leaves the company.

That does make things harder for small shops where things are more ad-hoc, or an individual hobbyist who wants to use it. But not sure how much of Tailscale's market consists of people like that, or if Tailscale even cares that much about that segment. No judgment if they don't; that's a perfectly reasonable decision to make.


You can add your own external provider. I'm using them with Okta at the moment.


Oh that's a shame.


If you want anonymity, why not just create new Google/Microsoft/GitHub accounts? How is that different from creating a new "Tailscale account" - presumably with what, your existing gmail address?




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