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The original title is "U.S. food additives banned in Europe: Expert says what Americans eat is "almost certainly" making them sick", which makes a lot more sense than the submission title.


I did wonder how the expert was making people sick.


Well one possible reason why Americans report better health and energy levels after switching to a lowcarb, no seed oil, paleo or whatever diet is that seed products in the US are contaminated with various chemicals.

Thus the statement of these experts may be true to some extent.


This is an unhelpful conflation between several different health issues, and a wide range of fashionable paranoias. The article isn't to do with pesticide sprayed on grain crops, nor with seed products, nor with the value of "paleo" diets. It's simply about additives in bread. It's irresponsible to mash all those issues together, because glyphosate is a likely carcinogen and needs to be dealt with separately; hydrogenated seed oils are likely carcinogens and need to be dealt with separately too.

But given a noncarcinogenic grain supply, there's this other issue of adding magical chemicals to everyday bread or packaged foods. That's what this is about, and trying to make sweeping statements about half a dozen other things that are harmful actually helps make the case that this is less important to regulate.


Unregulated chemicals that humans did not evolve to tolerate are nigh certainly causing loss of physiologic integrity.


Or they’re just switching away from worse, non deliberate diets and then misunderstanding which changes were the ones that mattered while buying into the popular social media trend of blaming “seed oils” for everything.


That said it's probably still inadvisable to season your food with expert.


Fun fact: Cannibalism in itself isn't illegal in Germany... Just don't ask


Suddenly this joke from the IT Crowd makes more sense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOE-q20RcDM


No, that was based on a real cannibal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes


France an EU country (just next to germany) where cannilabism happened and then the cannibal was literally walking free in another country for decades until he died naturally.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa


But isn't the point that you absolutely must ask, since you can only eat somebody if you have their consent?


Well, apparently all the means of obtaining, they, ugh, ingredients, are more or less illegal and covered by various laws. Voluntary donations so....

Dear me, I shouldn't have brought it up before lunch... I hope there is something vegetarian on the menu today...


> Apparently all the means of obtaining, they, ugh, ingredients, are more or less illegal and covered by various laws.

Amputations are legal and not that rare, so there are some means.. Hhere's a relevant example of a part of a leg begin eaten - https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/8p5xlj/hi_all_i_am_a_...


consent has been defined different ways at different times in Germany.

technically when hansel and gretel checked into their airbnb in the forest, they consented to being shoved into an oven if they spilled breadcrumbs. It was all in the contract.



There is no explicit legal norm, but that doesn't mean it's legal...there is § 168 StGB.


> § 168 StGB.

I don’t know, seems like that leaves some loopholes, you just have to get pre-death approval ;)

> (1) Whoever unauthorizedly takes away from the custody of the entitled person the body or parts of the body of a deceased person, a dead corporeal fruit, parts of such or the ashes of a deceased person, or whoever commits insulting mischief thereon, shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

translated from https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__168.html


It's extremly unlikely that a judge will accept this approval and as far as I know, it has never happened. The approval could be ruled 'sittenwidrig'. Otherwise the person that approves has to be 'approvable'. There are high barriers to prove that the approval is legaly valid. The most famous case is the 'Kannibale von Rotenburg'. Even though the victim aggreed he was sentenced to life for murder. You may find a theoretical loophole but in reality I don't think you would get away with this.


I think murder is different, and also orthogonal.

I was thinking more of the situation of a person who’ll soon die (but is mentally capable) gives permission to be eaten after their death. Sittenwidrig would be another issue, I agree.


PSA: I am sorry to have started this thread. If it helps, I skipped lunch over it.


That's >80 characters title limit, so some editorializing was necessary.


A clearer suggestion:

  US food additives banned in EU. Expert says "almost certainly" making US sick


thanks. Fixed.


An extra colon would have done the job

Expert: "Almost certainly making them sick"


That extra colon could have prevented people from getting sick as well.


My wife has chronic migraines, and we live in the US. We visited Europe last year for 3 weeks and she was migraine free. We figured it had to be the food, and talk about maybe moving…


It could be the food, it could be indoor air quality, it could be a beauty product, it could be pollen, any number of things.

In any case, it might be related to histamines. If your wife has any troubles with an MTHFR mutation, this can cause issues with histamine buildup [1]. I don't endorse this site generally, just a quick reference for the histamine bits.

One possible cause of this is taking folic acid (synthetic) rather than folate. This is commonly found in 'enriched' products like breads and cereals, even rice. Europe doesn't enrich products like the US does.

This is to say nothing about different pesticides and additives the Europeans use vs the US.

Anyway, try avoiding wheat and enriched foods and see if that makes any difference. My wife had a lot of these issues and others, and we've got her sorted out now.

1: https://joannekennedy.com.au/2020/01/03/mthfr-histamine-into...




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