Steelman: the irresponsible hiring sprees that many companies went on could be considered rather unethical considering all of them have the foreknowledge that the corona-era growth was temporary.
Steelman of the other side: Not producing the laptops that children needed to school from home during Covid would have been damaging, too. Not producing exercise equipment for people stuck at home would have been damaging, too. And so on.
Absolutely nothing stopped them from advertising those positions as temporary. I would be willing to bet most job offers seen by normal people said nothing about urgency, they were likely sold as permanent positions.
And no, I do not think it should be up to the job seeker to understand larger industry trends before signing on.
Nobody said anything about jobs for life. When you are in a position where you know that certain events are pulling unprecedented demand forward, you know those certain events have an expiration date.
I don't think honesty in job listings is beyond the pale to ask of huge corporations. If you need temps due to sudden demand, hire temps.
Layoffs do cause damage to people's lives, but so does not having a job in the first place. The question is whether it would have been better to never have had these additional pandemic jobs at all.
To be clear, I'm not saying there is a single correct answer. Layoffs really do cause damage, and in many cases people left more stable jobs. Still, though, so often I see on HN and elsewhere that layoffs are just the worst thing imaginable and an indication that "management has failed", and I don't agree with that at all. If people are treated with respect (and I'm not really talking about any messaging, I'm talking about if they receive a decent severance), I don't really see a problem. E.g. if someone is hired, say works for a solid 2 years, but then is laid off with say 6 months of severance, I think that person was treated fairly. But I'd probably have a very different answer if someone was hired on for 3 months, made significant changes in their family situation to accommodate that job, and then the company realized they f'd up and panicked, and that person was laid off with 2 weeks severance.
Completely agree, wasn't it Meta that hired a guy from India, who sold everything there and moved to the US only to be laid off a couple of days before starting?
Now that destroys lives and is a dick move.
There is no indication that any of the people that Lenovo hired are part of the layoff. Elsewhere I read that Lenovo have been doing all of the hiring in the R&D dept which was not included in the layoffs.
Layoffs do cause damage to people's lives.