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Amusingly Valve themselves released an official trailer for the Steam Deck which showed Yuzu installed on the homescreen.

It was quickly taken down and re-posted without any references to Yuzu, probably after a panicked email from legal.

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-edits-steam-deck-trailer-to-re...



I can play Switch games on Steam Deck!?


Yes, better than on the Switch.

(now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)


I found it funny that Linus of LMG endorsed this setup not because it is better, but because Yuzu doesn't hold your savegames hostage. If you don't know: you can't backup saves, they get written to NAND, not the SD card. you can however buy cloud backup, but only for games that don't opt out.

Truly a problem of Nintendo's own petty making if even switch owners with a legitimate copy prefer to not run on their hardware.


If you have a hacked console (paperclip with a 1st year console, modchip with later ones), you can back up your saves using a homebrew app (checkpoint) if you remember to do it regularly.

You can also copy the saves off the console (or the emulated NAND you're supposed to create when hacking it) by running a different app (TegraExplorer) right from the bootloader. I had to do this when I messed up an update and my system wouldn't boot, but I hadn't backed up my saves in months.

I do wonder if anyone's attempted to get nintendo to respond to a subject access request in the EU to get their saves from their cloud service.


…and if you have a hacked console, you can easily and legally(!) just dump your ROMs and emulate as well.


I didn't want to run CFW, so I have actually written a tool to back up and decrypt all saves in a single click given any vulnerable Switch in RCM Mode. It's been really quite useful.


And you’re planning to create a GitHub gist later to share it right?


The savegame situation was part of what made me less interested in my Switch over time - I just didn't want to invest much time in any long-term games where I couldn't actually back up the savegames in any direct way. Now it gets pulled out every now and then when the kids want to play Club House Games or Mario Party.


Afaik you need to own a modded Switch to get the necessary keys, though. That’s a big outlay, if you can even find one - they’re rare as hens teeth.

Edit: Awesome - great to know!


You do not need a Switch at all, unless you're trying to somehow skirt the legality issues.



Yes, if you want to do it legally.


Nintendo made it clear that this is also "illegal". You have to opt for the worse experience (using the switch) otherwise you're the bad guy ...


Depends on the place. This sort of interoperability is explicitly allowed in the EU.


Per whose interpretation of the law? The DMA isn’t going to give nerds the utopia they think that they’re going to get.


Note: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.

In the EU, reverse engineering is allowed by law if the reason for doing so is interoperability by the one who owns a license to the product in question.

"The authorisation of the rightholder shall not be required where reproduction of the code and translation of its form within the meaning of points (a) and (b) of Article 4(1) are indispensable to obtain the information necessary to achieve the interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, provided that the following conditions are met:

(a) those acts are performed by the licensee or by another person having a right to use a copy of a program, or on their behalf by a person authorised to do so;

(b) the information necessary to achieve interoperability has not previously been readily available to the persons referred to in point (a); and

(c) those acts are confined to the parts of the original program which are necessary in order to achieve interoperability."

More information: https://www.vidstromlabs.com/blog/the-legal-boundaries-of-re...


Luckily Nintendo (Shadowrun is still some years away, when Ninsonmicro determines what is legal and what isn't) is not the authority to determine if something is illegal or not. But of course they are entitled to their own opinion.


As a owner of previous modded Nintendo consoles - they certainly don’t share your view


Yeah, you might as well pirate it, that's just as bad in their view.

Same with ripping DVDs/Blu-rays, it's illegal to rip them anyway, so might as well just download them.

Especially now that they're suing emulator developers, it's almost unethical to buy Switch games anymore.


Here in France, as far as I know I have a right to private copy, which I pay for through a specific tax whenever I buy storage. I can rip my DVDs, Blu-rays, or even Nintendo Switch cartridges or hard drive, perfectly legally, even if it means cracking open the thing and circumvent stuff. It's awfully less convenient than downloading the stuff, but it is legal. Or at least it was 20 years ago, but I'm not aware of any change on that front.

Now there should be some ground rule. When you buy something, it's supposed to be yours, and you should be allowed to do what you want with it, especially studying it and sharing the results of your study. Any rule that allows some big corporation to retain power over something that's supposed to be yours is serious overreach and should be shut down.

Now Nintendo does have a big problem here: without the exclusivity of their form factor (which is arguably difficult to improve upon[1]), all they have left is the exclusivity of their game library.

[1]: https://loup-vaillant.fr/articles/ideal-computer


Same in Poland. Fully legal to make any copies of any stuff you own, even if it involves bypassing their encryption or whatever. 100% legal.


In Sweden it was like that, but after some prodding and patting by "market forces" on the politicians it's no longer legal, but the tax is still there.


> Here in France, as far as I know I have a right to private copy

Wrong :)

You have a right to a private copy, but you don't have a right to circumvent copy protections to get that private copy.

So ripping a DVD is still illegal, despite the tax.

We're getting screwed :)


> […] but you don't have a right to circumvent copy protections to get that private copy.

Since when? Do you remember which law? I don't recall anything like the DMCA being ported to French law.

> So ripping a DVD is still illegal, despite the tax.

I'm pretty sure it used to be legal.


> I'm pretty sure it used to be legal.

Only if it doesn't have the CSS thing, which most commercial ones have.

Even though it's a silly protection, it still counts as a "protection" legally.

It's like that in Italy so I suppose it's the same in france https://www.gianluigibonanomi.com/diritto-copiare/


Ah, found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DADVSI

TL;DR: it's more complicated than I thought. First, the law was introduced in 2006, so before it, circumventing DRM and publishing how to do it was not a crime. (Of course, publishing copyrighted works with no proper authorisation was already a crime, regardless of DRM.)

Then for a brief time, circumventing DRM was outlawed. But fear of foreign monopolies (most notably Microsoft) and free software lobbying eventually had those articles amended, effectively exempting research and free software from any sanction. The exact limits of the current law are still fuzzy, but it seems pretty clear that using VLC to make copy of a DVD I own is 100% legal in France.


Ah that's cool.


Are they really rare? I have an older switch that is easily hackable and can’t be blocked due to it being a hardware vulnerability but I have never bothered to hack it as I just don’t know if it is worth it. Not sure if you can continue to play online once hacked and I assume once hacked play pirated games as why else hack it. But I haven’t pirated games in a long time I wonder if it is worth it. What the switch really needs is a messaging app maybe hacked switches can do that idk.


> why else hack it

So you can dump the cartridges and digital games you own, and the keys to run them.


You can find the keys online.


And that is the illegal part, rather than the development of the emulator...


Clearly not according to Nintendo


The moment they find a BIOS source they'll be taken out too. But the internet is a game of cat and mouse.


So it's like the 09F9 1102 thing all over again?

I think I still have most of the key memorized from back then.


Better how?

The detachable joycon with accelerometer control are a mechanic in some games (eg. Zelda crossbow aim). I would imagine this would be worse experience on steam deck.


Better as in much better framerate with no performance drops. At least that's what I've heard.

Pretty much all the games I have played allowed to disable the motion controls. I think it counts towards accessibility. Personally I really dislike the whole motion control aspect so always turn them off. Zelda included.

I'm sure there are other tradeoffs as well. But would love it see what it's like on an emulator. Or maybe not, it might make running games on the original hardware feel terrible :)


That has not been my experience with switch games on the Steam Deck. Anytime shaders are loaded the FPS seems to stutter which in the newer Mario game is like every few seconds at first and it gets better the longer you play.

I still prefer the switch for switch games myself.


I've tried a few and it does very much seem to depend on the game. Some run better, some run worse. Most are about equal.


Not in my experience. Definitely performance drops on the Deck. And even when it's running well, shader caches or whatever can make it stutter. Still very cool to be able to have all my games on one device though, even if it doesn't run as well.


Curious if you are running with or without mods.


> Pretty much all the games I have played allowed to disable the motion controls. I think it counts towards accessibility.

I think motion control is the only option for Pokemon Let's Go.


Steamdeck also has a gyro for this kind of mechanic.


By the by, I recently switched to using a Dualsense as my SD external controller and found that the gyro controls make for an excellent desktop and M+K game controller. Surprised I didn’t think to check earlier.


FYI this has been possible since the DS4.


You can play them at a higher resolution and frame rate than Switch supports. Steam Deck supports accelerometer control as well.


Huh, TIL. Thanks!


In some cases. In other cases they run worse on Steam Deck, notably Tears of the Kingdom.


At this point, there's a TotK optimizer you can find that even has a preset specifically for the Steam Deck.


That's a pretty big asterisk. BotW and TotK account for about 90% of my Switch game time.


No, the SteamDeck gyro works too


Are 100% of features supported? Tilt sensor? Amiibo support? 2-8 controllers with motion camera, tilt sensor, internal speaker, and vibration?


I'm not 100% sure tilt is supported out of the box, and amibo for sure is not unless you have a dongle or something.

But I'm not sure why this is so surprising, the steam deck is a Linux PC.


I can confirm a PS4 controller tilt sensor works with yuzu, so fundamentally it's possible, not sure a plugin for parsing the steamdeck tilt sensor exists though


Amiibos are supported (virtually), not sure about the rest


Not really better than the Switch generally, but it's pretty cool


Get out of here. Seriously? I’ve been playing older system games pretty well on it but switch felt like it would be too much a load.


Emu Deck is the quickest way to set up emulation. The rest requires google.

Not all games are stable/playable/without glitches.

Mario Galaxy Wii + HD texture packs look like its from 2025 compared to the re-release on the Switch.


Got this set up and I have to say I am really stunned by how good it emulates switch.


Boss music start playing


> better than on the Switch

That simply isn’t true.

Downvotes don't make the statement magically more true.


I played BotW on my friend's Switch, and loved it, but didn't really wanna buy another console.

So I went through the tribulations of setting it up on the Deck (pro tip: use EmuDeck, I didn't know about it back then).

I don't know about better, but for me it felt the same as the Switch! The only slight confusion thing was button labeling, but it's quick to get used to.

I'd also say the slightly bigger screen is nicer.


I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm saying it isn't universally better on every game the Switch can play. In fact, many games simply won't run.

But yes, you can (and should!) run the popular titles such as Mario Odyssey and BotW/TotK.


Yep and you can back up your saves, something you can't do on the Switch without a Nintendo subscription.


Yes, and it runs really well and is very easy to launch and play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW4y8juFkOI

Of course not as easy as just buying the game outright and putting in the cartridge.


Downloading a file and putting in on a Steam Deck seems easier than working for ~3 hours then purchasing a Nintendo game.


Yeah, why pay for something, if you can also simply download/steal it? Something which took a lot of work to make?

Reading comments like this I can almost understand Nintendos stance on emulation. Suing the emulator team is certainly not the right thing to do, but come on.

At least pay for the game if you are not paying for the console.


its not stealing it is copyright infringement


The people who steal it were probably not going to buy it anyway. And it’s not like they are downloading a car.


gotta love the streisand effect!


I don't think Nintendo cares about bringing short term awareness. They want to choke out the emulator team and more or less freeze development.


If the emulator is open source how will it be possible a load of forks won’t be created!?




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