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Usually I'd strongly bias toward OSS. But gimp's ux is just so bad, I'd sooner use (_vomits_) adobe knowing I'll have to wrestle a bear in order to cancel my subscription. But there's no need. Figma, while not OSS, is free, and it does have acceptable UX. I'm a newb who occasionally needs to brush up an image or combine multiple images for my startup. I got more done in figma in thirty minutes than in gimp in 3 hours, and was much less frustrated. I could never find the relevant button (or sometimes even pane) in gimp. If you already learned gimp, use it, but for anyone else it's false economy - the time you lose fighting its UX outweighs the feelgood/freedom of using OSS.


Krita and Photopea are fantastic alternatives to GIMP, with way less confusing UI.


"GIMP is not a competitor to Photoshop; Photoshop is an image manipulator while GIMP is a puzzle-based image modifier." - a youtube comment I saw once


I'm glad this is so high up. Why praise OSS with very bad ux? For starters they

didn't even keybind settings to ⌘,

didn't even keybind save to ⌘s [0]

when quitting there is no option to save

clicking + on brush size increases it from 40 to 40.01 (!)

of cause no wheel support to change size ...

I'm sure with every minute of trying this the list got longer and longer. Feels like an X window to an ancient unix machine.

[0] while ⌘s doesnt work for new images it does work for "overwrite" jpg etc which is a HUGE advancement!


IMO it feels quite entitled of Mac users to expect open source software to cater to the (rather weird) UI conventions of their proprietary operating system.


I'd posit this is more knowing your user. Lots of photo editors/multimedia types use Macs, so it would only help GIMP if they offered Mac keybinds out of the box, or even mimicked the keybinds Adobe Photoshop has.


That's the least of many problems regardless.


Seems pretty trivial to bind a settings screen to, eh, however you even make that symbol on US international keyboard, insert that here. Why not submit a pull request to create that bind? Or have you at least mentioned that this bothers you, maybe they'll even do the work for you?


Try krita, it's open source, it's easy to use and has lots of features


I used it to create some art. I created image layers using p5.js and combined those 5 images using the previous version. I found the layering system pretty obvious, with the opacity and merging very straight forward. I used to be pretty ok at photoshop.. before the subscription days. The export vs save as was a little confusing but the whole process wasn’t hard.

Those images got into an exhibition so I’m pretty happy.

Photoshop literally has whole training companies and conferences on how to use the software. I ended up at a photoshop world conference. When I was on Mac I’d use pixelmator for quick crops and edits (or even the preview). That’s easier, but these programs are very powerful and you need a little bit to learn them.


Yeah, It's not about what's easy (especially in a community like this). These tools aren't for people who necessarily desire easy solutions. It's just about hat pays and what you grew up with. Microsoft used a similar approach decades ago, and it paid off in spades. But navigating Windows also isn't as easy as we'd think as people who grew up on it.

Example: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/tech-innovation/teaching...


Defeatist nonsense. You could spend a half hour with a tutorial, but instead write here.

The UI is 95% the same as every image editor since 1985.


Theirs is the prevailing opinion the world over, so I'd be inclined to take it with more than a grain of salt. Bad UX exists and is a valid problem.


As I said it’s the same UI as MacPaint. You don’t hear from the silent majority.


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By that logic they should rename GNOME too.

There's no problem with the name other than with people looking for cultural issues that don't exist to bang on about and fill their "do good" bank.


I think the name concerns are legitimate just on the basis that it sounds awkward, regardless of whether it's offensive or not. An image editor named Gnome or Goblin, or even Midget (widely regarded to also be offensive), would be fine, because those make me think of cute little people. A 'gimp' is a weird guy in a leather suit or a guy with a messed up leg, and I don't really want to think about any of that when I open my image editor.


When I open up GIMP I think of the image manipulation program I'm opening. I think most people do.


Tech isn't the best at naming thing but it hasn't really stopped much. A version control system is named after an insult in UK English. The tip tech companies are a fruit, a name thst sounds like clown sounds, and a rain forest (so, pretty horrible communication on what they do). The name of this site sounds like some kind of silk road at firs blush.

There can be some absolutely dreadful, politically incorrect names, but I don't think any of GIMP's significant problems came from it's namesake.


Gnome isn't even in the same ballpark. We have gnomes in fantasy and hold them in high esteem.

Gimp is a term used to mock people that can't walk. It's not a medical term, it's strictly a pejorative like the n-word.

Gimp is also a term for someone who gets pegged up the ass while wearing a rubber suit.

Not a good brand.


And it's also the name of a venerable piece of software that stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program.

This is just a ginned-up non-controversy that should have stayed in 2019.


^1999


> Gnome isn't even in the same ballpark. We have gnomes in fantasy and hold them in high esteem.

I've heard Gnome used as an insult far more than Gimp.


Doesn't matter what the name is, as long as people remember it. Trust me, the name "GIMP" is not what's holding their project up. It's competition with Adobe and the likes.

However it's great that they're making gradual progress. I've used Gimp for years.


Rhetorically speaking here, would you object if the name literally was SGT_Cant_Say_Anything_Smart ? If they did this it would certainly be memorable.


That name reminds me of PUBG and Proton-GE (specifically the GE part). Both awkwardly named after one person's internet handle. If sufficiently shortened, and ideally also pronounceable, I think it can work. With that in mind, "CSAS" might not be the best, though maybe people could pronounce it "Sergeant Sea-Sass". Then the biggest problem I see is the # of syllables, but if you've already established context, you could probably shorten it further in subsequent usage to "Sea-Sass" or CSAS only, which is only about as bad as "LDAP".


If shampoo was introduced today, the product would be laughed out of the room: who would put some sham poo on their heads? Nevertheless, people are fine with this weird word once it's become traditional.

If "gimp" is an ableist slur, is "lisp" an ableis slur, too? And does that Unix manual-viewing command seem to assume masculine superiority? While at it, that Unik signal-sending command would definitely be banned in Boston for indiscriminate cruelty.

I mean, come on. Humans are able to differentiate between meanings of a word, and even possess a sense of humor, to a degree.

That said, I'm totally not a fan of naming projects in a playfully stupid, disgusting, or, worse, obscene way. Sadly, people get their kicks out of that more often than I would like. But I think that the hooliganish joy of doing so critically depends on the rest of us reacting to such a name in an inflamed way, like above. There's something to be said about feeding trolls as a self-defeating behavior.

I would rather celebrate the major release.


> And does that Unix manual-viewing command seem to assume masculine superiority?

I don't think Eunuchs have ever been considered superiorly masculine.


No, they are referring to the manual page command "man"


Is there some other manual-viewing command that you believe it has been confused with? Is it that you are not aware that a eunuch is still considered a man?


> That said, I'm totally not a fan of naming projects in a playfully stupid, disgusting, or, worse, obscene way.

Better call Google, Yahoo, Mozilla ... and let them know. A lack of humor and humility is destroying SV, the country, and the world.


Unix is a play on eunuchs, because it was jokingly referred to as an emasculated version of Multics. Linux is a play on top of that. Certainly we must cancel Linus Torvalds posthaste!


Thankfully the intersection of cancels others and understands li/unix naming is ~ a null set


Surely it's a play on multi -> uni


What r-word even is for? Is it Romanian?


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I think the problem is a lot of people need very occasional image manipulation. Back when I was a photographer, I could have easily paid 5x more for my Photoshop subscription and it would have been worth it.

Now that I’m not, the $10 a month is a harder pill to swallow, even though I use it quite a bit. A subscription pricing model isn’t great for those that need something once a week or month or whatever.


So great, that they can't make their tools for Linux to this day.


I hear complaints from its users who describe using Adobe software like they're in an abusive relationship[1][2]. Personally, the software license is the problem for me. I don't want to make a piece of proprietary software a major part of my life or workflow. I've got GIMP, Krita, and InkScape for when I need to whip up a diagram or something. Luckily I do not need to use software like this too often.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBEAZFP0aA [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm51xZHZI6g


If Adobe can't compete with GIMP-and-avocado, perhaps the product isn't that great.


Compete with GIMP? One can scatter controls by tripping over a box of these and still get better ui than gimp.


gimp should get an ai chat interface, then it doesn't matter how good or bad the UI is


Some of the UI is what things are called and that also effects a chat UI.

GIMP has a plugin system and embeds python, this would be pretty easy to make.


Correct. And yet people are still choosing it over Photoshop, and then using the money they saved for avocado toast.


Adobe is infuriatingly intrusive. So much so that at some point I wanted to uninstall it and never deal with anything adobe ever again, only to find out they demand that I log in to uninstall their crap.

Nothing Adobe will ever again be installed on my PCs.


> Don't eat avocado toast for 2 days, idk.

I didn't eat avocado toast for 2 days and am buying adobe outright later today.

People hate adobe for their anti-consumer practices, purposefully obsfucating the PSD format, and shoving AI down everyones throat.


I suspect many who make software would never do what adobe does (deliberately make it difficult for customers to leave). Entirely subjective, of course, but I consider Adobe's retention strategies very sleazy (although not uncommon).

That said, can also see the utility in making deals with the devil: if it means getting your own software done faster and better, then it might be worth it, even if it feels gross.


When I tried to cancel my subscription they offered me a free year of everything. I took it and then cancelled when it was done. 0 issues.


Nice work. I've never subscribed to Adobe products, so I haven't experienced it first hand. My thinking is if your software is great, you shouldn't need lock-in contracts or adobe-like tactics. (I've dodged similar subscription models like economist magazine and masterclass purely due to the utility of the subscription being outweighed by the knowledge I'd one day have to endure a frustrating process to unsubscribe).


It's super easy, don't listed to hypersensitive people who can't stand two seconds of sales pitch. The same goes for the Economist, when I unubscribed the rep asked me if I'd like a 50% discount on a yearly subscription, I politely declined and that was it. One advantage of this is that you can easily pretend you're canceling in order to get a big discount. Some people just love to complain about every little thing.


Given the negative sentiment around Adobe's cancellation flow, you'd think they'd advertise the fact that you get a 'free year of everything' and 'zero issues'. Seems weird!




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