Well they're not public yet so you'll have to put up with rumors. But the number...

caminante · 2026-04-12T19:37:06 1776022626

AFAIK,

1. the 80% margin from 2025 was theoretical,

2. they're relying on distillation/synthetic data for training,

3. and have been very opaque about cross-subsidization of R&D with their models.

The distillation alone adds a big asterisk for comparisons.

KaoruAoiShiho · 2026-04-12T20:02:35 1776024155

Talking nonsense.

caminante · 2026-04-13T00:24:53 1776039893

> you'll have to put up with rumors.

> But the numbers are available for companies like DeepSeek

You'd rather trust self-reported figures? LMAO