Interesting you assumed violent destruction! I don’t suppose you’re Israeli? Also curious that Israel hasn’t yet “won” even when not being attacked.
I’m talking about a (relatively) peaceful process with reparations, right of return, and international policing. Destroying Israel through violence doesn’t move us forward.
And how do you suggest this concept is marketed to Israelis? I mean, it doesn’t sound too appealing: giving their flourishing country away to Islamist elements and turning into Jewish a minority in what is essentially a large Gaza strip.
It will need to happen by force.
You could argue for sanctions but with the fracturing of the Western world that’s not likely to happen, and the west is very heavily invested in Israel already (Apple has more R&D in Israel than in the entire EU; Nvidia does all of their networking stuff in Israel and now plans a 12k engineer campus; Microsoft, Intel, Google…). The west buys tons of Israeli weapons and if you live in the EU then congratulations, your sky is now protected by Israeli Arrow-3 systems that Germany bought for 5bn Euro.
And then there’s the Israeli nuclear deterrence and strong self reliance. Sanction it for something and it will likely make its own or get it from a different actor, this is what happens in the first 30 years of its existence (US would not sell it arms back then).
Add to that the Jewish communities in Western countries which would block any kind of sanctions.
All you’re left with for “dismantling” Israel are Islamist actors operating military. Iran, Turkey, the likes, which brings us back to the endless loop I’ve mentioned before.
How about, then, a different alternative where Israel is recognized as a done deal, just like the US is? In both cases someone suffered from their creation but no one is calling to dismantle the US and no one is giving Indians their home.
That won’t happen though because the Palestinians are weaponized against Israel by Islamists, and the conflict with Israel is just too convenient for countries like Egypt and Turkey to keep the inflamed rhetoric and to have someone to blame for all of their woes.
They're people. And this is not about religion it's about rights and land.
> turning into Jewish a minority
Again, why the focus on ethnicity and/or race here? Equal rights for all people without regard to religion or ethnicity. (Otherwise it's racism)
> It will need to happen by force.
Some kind of force, yes.
> not likely to happen
Doesn't make it morally wrong.
> west is very heavily invested in Israel
disgusting.
> strong self reliance
Pretty sure Israel can't survive in its current state without being propped up by the West.
> Sanction it for something and it will likely make its own or get it from a different actor, this is what happens in the first 30 years of its existence (US would not sell it arms back then).
We should still sanction them.
> "Islamist"
Stop saying this, it's racist and again diverts from the fact that the conflict is about peoples rights and land, not religion.
> How about, then, a different alternative where Israel is recognized as a done deal, just like the US is? In both cases someone suffered from their creation but no one is calling to dismantle the US and no one is giving Indians their home.
Yeah, that's fucked up. The US is fucked up. But, I think it will probably happen this way. The Palestinians who were originally on the land will be ethnically cleansed and/or put on reservations, let out to work in Isreal for cheap, and the Israelis will be free to party in the Gaza Riviera atop the bones of hundreds of thousands of buried Palestinian skulls.
> That won’t happen though because the Palestinians are weaponized against Israel by Islamists
I’m talking about a (relatively) peaceful process with reparations, right of return, and international policing. Destroying Israel through violence doesn’t move us forward.