Yeah, at this point I actually find it amusing just how much flack PHP gets from people on HN who only think about it in terms of Wordpress and spotty 15 year olds trying out web dev for the first time.
I think at this point PHP programmers don't care about the flack. We're pretty used to it.
As a php programmer and a member of a php user group I can say that group seeems to have half of its talks on non php topics javascript, html5, css etc.
I like the community that doesn't fret about tools and only about how to build something interesting.
